Je me suis procuré un fil de lin de marque Goldchild 100/3 mais il manque d’être suffisamment lisse et uniforme. Il a des imperfections que je qualifierais de rustiques. On me dit qu’il en est de même avec le fil Fresia et de tout autre fil de lin. S’il vous plaît, j’aimerais avoir autres opinions. Qu’en pensez-vous? Existe-t-il de nos jours un fil de lin suffisamment lisse pour des travaux fins comme la dentelle d'Alençon par exemple? Merci à tous.

I bought a brand linen thread Goldchild 100/3 but it fails to be sufficiently smooth and uniform. It has imperfections that I would describe as rustic. The salor told me it is the same with the Fresia and all the others linen thread. Please, I would like to have other opinions. What about you? Are there nowadays a sufficiently smooth linen thread for fine work like Alençon lace by example? Thank you all.

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Goldschild linen is used nowadays by bobbin lace makers, and I have not heard complaints about slubs or variations in thickness. But with bobbin lace this would not be such a problem. In my experience most linen threads do have slubs and thick areas. Bockens linen is generally very smooth, but it is also tightly twisted, which means it is also rather stiff, not soft and flexible. I have some Fresia linen and like it very much. But I use it for bobbin lace mostly. I did use some for pulled thread embroidery and it was OK for that purpose.  To find other linen threads, search for suppliers of bobbin lace materials.

https://www.pinterest.com/LaceNews/lace-supplies-books-usa-canada/ 

I would also like to hear the opinions of others.

Lorelei

Merci de vos indications Lorelei. Selon vos indications, il est possible que Fresia fasse mieux l'affaire et je vais chercher l'occasion de faire une test.
Si toutefois vous aviez des commentaires en ce sens venant d'autres dentellières, faites-moi savoir s'il vous plaît ce qu'elles ont trouvé de mieux pour le travail à l'aiguille en utilisant le fil de lin.

Thank you Lorelei for your indications. According to your specifications, it is possible that the case Fresia do better and I'll get the opportunity to do a test.
Should you have any comments to this effect from other lacemakers, let me know please what they found best for the needlework using linen thread.

Toujours à la recherche de fil de lin, voici donc où en sont mes recherches:
Sur un site Internet d'Argentan, on mentionne que les engrais utilisés de nos jours pour les cultures du lin ayant fragilisé les fibres de la plante, les dentellières modernes utilisent maintenant le coton égyptien.
Même à l'Abbaye d'Argentan, une soeur bénédictine me mentionne que sa congrégation aussi est à la recherche de fil de lin, car elles travaillent actuellement sur leur réserve qui s'amenuise.
Si quelqu'un en trouve, bien vouloir s'il vous plaît nous tenir au courant. Je continue ma recherche. Merci.

Always looking linen thread, so here's where my research are:
On a website of Argentan, it is mentioned that the fertilizers used today for crops make flax fibers of the plant becomes fragile, so modern lacemakers now use Egyptian cotton.
Even at the Abbey of Argentan, a Benedictine sister mentioned to me that her congregation also is looking for linen thread, as they are currently working on their reserve is diminishing.
If someone finds it, kindly please keep us informed. I continue my research. Thank you.

Hi Christiane

I have made contact with a company here in the UK who produce linen thread and the person I spoke to says it has no slubs. Their product is also used in autopsies and for embalming. The Managing
Director will contact me with further information on Monday. Details to follow next week. You never know, we may strike lucky!

Christiane

Your information about the fertilizer making the linen fibers fragile is very interesting. I have not heard that before. It could be the reason that nobody is selling 120/2 or 140/2 linen anymore.

Lorelei

Lorelei,

J'ai été la première surprise de cette information obtenue sur le site suivant,
et dit tel que voici (en français):

I was the first surprise of the information obtained from the following website,
http://www.patrimoine-normand.com/index-fiche-44379.html
and said as here (in French):

"Les dentellières travaillent de nos jours avec du coton égyptien dont les longues fibres permettent d’obtenir un fil très fin et résistant. La dentelle était à l’origine en lin, mais les engrais utilisés pour les cultures ont fragilisé les fibres de la plante.".

Quelques images concernant la technique y sont aussi présentées et pourraient intéresser les membres.

Some images on the technique are presented and  would maybe interest the members of NLT.

An interesting site. Thanks, Christiane.

Bonjour Christiane
The very fine linen thread, much finer than 100/3 is not available any more since a long time. The only area that I know which would still have some are the "arrière boutiques" in Bruges, and in Bruxelles (by the Musée des Dentelles, and Place Sainte Catherine) which still have some "écheveaux" not easy too use. I found some in 2009. Also the gauge of the thread is so small that the overall size of the lace piece is also much smaller than what we are accustomed to.
Bravo pour votre travail qui est une pure merveille.
Bon Dimanche !!
Myriam

I have tried to find linen thread from France for five months. I want make Pag lace with original thread like old Pag women, but I cant find linen thread and size which was used 100 years ago. My teacher told me, at that time they used line thread from France and number was like dmc cordonnet number 120. She forgot what is number of that linen thread. If anyone find linen thread like that please tell us. Thanks


Does anybody here have got experience with this thread, or has any information about thickness this thread?

I've asked on arachne. I will report any answer.

Hi Xiaojie,

The thread in the picture you posted, do you have an opportunity to buy it? It looks to me like a good size for Pag lace, and fairly smooth. If it is not too expensive you should give it a try! But you may need to wash the thread or lace when you are done to remove the age stains. 

Linen thread will feel and look very different than cotton as you work, and even the best old linen thread has some thick-thin spots. The worst of them can be avoided as you cut lengths to work with (advantage of needle lace over bobbin lace). But the old thread is MUCH smoother than anything you can buy now. I am using some old Campbell's linen for Gros Point and love it. It works up best when it is humid outside, just like for weaving. 

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