Hi everyone. I have a question about stitch variations. If a book describes a stitch, as say for example, pea stitch variation 3, would that same stitch appear in every book under that name or is it just the author's choice to number the variations?

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Vi: the names of stitches can drive you absolutely crazy.  There is broad general agreement about basic stitches but authors don't always agree on exactly what name to use for a particular variation.  Pea stitch is a good example.  There are several variants, and most authors appear to not even give them names or numbers.  Then there is the problem with twisted buttonhole.  There are names like Point d'Espagne, English stitch, Hollie Stitch, and all those names refer to twisted buttonhole.  But it can be worked with 2 twists or three twists.  It can be worked with the same number of twists in every row, or 2 in one row and 3 in the next.  About a year ago I got so frustrated with this that I went through all my books and made little pencil sketches of each stitch, putting all the corded buttonhole variants on one page, all the twisted bh variants on another, and so forth.  I barely got all the pea stitch variants on one page.  Very often 2 authors would have the same stitch diagram but use different names.

 

Vi, also check out our group NEEDLELACE STITCHES where there has been some discussion of this issue.

 

I hope some of our experts will join in this discussion.

Thanks Lorelei. My friend, Judith Holroyd (also a member), has made lots of small sample squares which she has mounted in a handmade ringbinder. It's lovely and I think I might do something similar but leave room for the different names given to the same stitch as I come across them.
Making a record of various names for a specific stitch is a good idea.

Lorelei, you are sorting your stitches into groups very well. It sounds very much like the Hills & Gibson book on Needlelace, as that is how they have sorted it out - one chapter on corded stitches, another dealing with twisted stitches, etc.

It makes it easy to find what sort of stitch you are looking for. Their working diagrams and instructions are excellent, and I have tried a couple of stitches I had not even heard of, and they turned out OK!!

I managed to get a 2nd hand copy of the book, - and Oh! How I wish it would be reprinted, as I know there would be a lot of lacemakers buying it, as it has a wealth of knowledge and ideas within the covers.

There is so little information for needlelacers, and books like the Hills & Gibson, and Catherine Barley's book are worth their weight in Gold!

I remember hearing that the book is under revision and will be available from Pat Gibson when it is ready.  I keep hoping to see a notice that it has become available.

That is Wonderful news.

Hooray!!

my book is now available directly from me £17.00 plus some postage in UK. not sure of postage prices elsewhere probably about £3.00 extra.

Pat gibson

Lorelei Halley said:

I remember hearing that the book is under revision and will be available from Pat Gibson when it is ready.  I keep hoping to see a notice that it has become available.

Wonderful news, Pat. Thank you. I will certainly be spreading the news that the book has been re-published and where to get it.

I have found the original book SO helpful, and a wonderful reference to stitches, and ideas for using them, too!

Is the new edition similar to the original one?

The new version is my side of the original - just the stitch information, diagrams etc plus some up-dated work of mine. there a few new stitches in there that were not in the original Hills and Gibson. glad you like the original, it is very dificult to get hold of and a bit like 'gold dust'!

Pat

Elizabeth Ligeti said:

Wonderful news, Pat. Thank you. I will certainly be spreading the news that the book has been re-published and where to get it.

I have found the original book SO helpful, and a wonderful reference to stitches, and ideas for using them, too!

Is the new edition similar to the original one?

Soundas like Just what is needed Pat - Stitches and more Stitches!!!

I managed to buy a 2nd hand copy of your original book about 4 or 5 years ago, at the Aust lace Guild, - victorian Branch guild Tasble, where a lot of books from a deceased estate were being sold, and the 10% profit going to our Guild Branch. The lady running the Guild table knew I was doing needlelace, and kept the book aside to give me first chance at buying it!!! (Bless her heart!!!)

It certainly should be Gold Plated, - like the other Great needlelace book - by Catherine Barley!! The 2 best books written!!!!!!! :)

I justr happened to reply to my Arachne digest yesterday, and mentioned that your book was now available from you!!(well, I promised to spread the word.  I must mention it on the Gumlist, too - the Aussie Lace Chat group! there are a few needlelacers amongst us!)

I am looking in Nenia Lovesey's book and in a flower I am working on she says to do a row of Point d' Angleterre. When I look at her flower with this row it looks like some sort of knot stitch but I can't tell and it doesn't have instructions for it. Does anyone know what she is referring to?

Hi Julianna, I believe you are referring to the little rings used in place of a vein. Just saw an example in Needleace Stitches Classic and Contemporary (Pat Gibson and Ros Hill). Maureen Bromley has very kindly provided instructions - see Neelelace stitches group, MB 12 Jan 2014 and also details appear in the Tutorials section, under "rings". These really are super stitches and so effective!!

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