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Gros Point
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Gros point needle lace is a lace with raised, and decorated cordonettes. It is supposed to look like carved ivory. For those who want to learn it or to study the details of its construction in antique examples. Historical antique form was called Venetian gros point needle lace.
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Resources for Gros Point
BOOKS
Catherine Barley NEEDLELACE, DESIGNS AND TECHNIQUES, CLASSIC AND CONTEMPORARY. Batsford 1993, reprinted 2003. Contains a chapter on technique and several patterns.
Nenia Lovesey and Catherine Barley VENETIAN GROS POINT LACE. Dryad 1986. Stitch diagrams are clear, but description of how to make the padded roll is not satisfactory. Quite a few nice motifs.
Nenia Lovesey INTRODUCTION TO NEEDLEPOINT LACE, Larousse 1985. Has a chapter on raised work.
ONLINE RESOURCES
http://encyclopediaofneedlework.com/chapter_13.html This chapter contains needlelace stitch diagrams and diagrams for bars (in the context of tape laces, but the stitches and bars are the same).
This is a link to a free download of superb close-up photos of a highly sculpted Venetian Gros Point. File is 4.2 mb. Clicking on it will immediately start the download.
http://www.ville-retournac.fr/musee/anglais/activities/FicheGrosPoint_MickFouriscot_ang.pdf
http://lynxlace.com/needlelacegallery.html#gros-point ;
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O89745/collar-josef-storck/
The Retournac gros point symposium
http://www.ville-retournac.fr/musee/anglais/activities/symposium.html See the bottom of the page for links to several pdf files, photos of brides, fillings, decorative holes (portes) and a few old laces.
photos of lace grounds
http://www.ville-retournac.fr/musee/francais/actualites/2008/news4/Catalogue_remplis.pdf
Discussion Forum
Stitches of gros point needle lace 4 Replies
Last night I picked up a sampler I started nearly 2 years ago. It has been nearly that long since I last worked on it. It was supposed to be a sampler of gros point stitches. So I was devoured by an…Continue
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Started by Lorelei Halley. Last reply by Lorelei Halley May 15.
Punto Cologna 1 Reply
I've just noticed that in Cologna Veneta, a small town near Verona, Italy, there is a lace school where they make Punto Cologna, which is very similar to the Gros Point.In my blog…Continue
Started by Silvia. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Oct 10, 2010.
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Comment by Christiane Machabée on May 24, 2014 at 7:46am -
Pour ceux et celles qui s’intéressent à la dentelle de Venise, je recommande le nouveau livre bilingue, français/anglais, « La dentelle de Venise contemporaine »/" Venice needle lace today " de Myriam Benamor, aux Éditions Didier Carpentier. Magnifique complément au livre de Laura Masera. J’y ai trouvé une meilleure explication de la bride « Stella » et de bien d’autres points. Le livre porte surtout sur les points de fantaisie, picots et brides décoratives de toutes sortes. Très peu concernant la brode. Donnez-m’en des nouvelles!
For those interested in lace Venice, I recommend the new bilingual book, French /English, "La dentelle de Venise contemporaine" / "Venice needle lace today" by Myriam Benamor at Didier CarpentierEedition. Wonderful complement to the one of Laura Masera. I found a better explanation of the "Stella" and many other points. The book focuses on fantasy points, pins and decorative flanges of all kinds. Very little about the "brode". Give me some news!Christiane
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Comment by Elizabeth Ligeti on May 23, 2014 at 5:29pm
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Lovely diagrams Brona. Thank you. Yes, I see that way is more like the Gruppeto of the Italian books I have.
What beautifully neat bullions. Hmmm! Me thinks I must Really have a go, not dodge them!!
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Comment by Lorelei Halley on May 23, 2014 at 1:54am -
Brona, you diagrams are so neat and clear. I see that you position the needle for a buttonhole stitch in the normal way, but wrap the needle before pulling it through the loop. I'l try that next.
Liz, I think I actually did make whipped twisted buttonhole in section 3 and 4. I also find plain twisted buttonhole very hard to manage. It is much neater to make the whipped version.
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Comment by Brona Bacilkova on May 23, 2014 at 1:13am -
Lorelei,
here is my diagram of bullion picots (worked from left to right). I'm sorry, the photo is not high-quality...
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You are doing well, Lorelei, and thanks for posting the photo. Actually the Lorelei Knots are not bad at all !! Those along the top are better than mine turn out. (I love the name for these new ones!! :) ) In the Aemilia Ars Italian books the gruppeto are worked like these, but they do the stitch back into the last stitch, not into the next one as your diagram shows. Interesting how many ways there are to get the same outcome!!! This is what makes lacemaking so fascinating!
I think the 3rd square - the triple twisted stitch is called Point de Greque -- and can be whipped or not. I find they are untidy when not whipped. - mine are anyway!!
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Comment by Lorelei Halley on May 22, 2014 at 3:39pm
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Comment by Lorelei Halley on May 22, 2014 at 3:36pm
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My finished gros point sampler:
Across the top are my messy wrong bullions (Lorelei knots). Across the bottom are my partially successful bullions. The secret is to get everything in position before wrapping the thread around the needle.
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Comment by Lorelei Halley on May 21, 2014 at 2:47pm
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I did have a little more success. Actually I succeeded in inventing a new kind of decoration for the cordonnette. You make a very messy knot which starts out as a bullion, then let it just fall where it lies. I'll finish this monster tonight and then post a picture.
On a more serious note: it helps to position the needle right on the last bh stitch, then do the wraps while the needle is pinned down by your finger.
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Terrific, Loretta. many thanks. Hmmm! work the wraps to opposite direction to the twists in the thread (as I understand your Z and S comment) - that could be half the problem if we do it wrongly.
Also, - I don't think I worked into the last stitch, but just started a new stitch. That might help, too. I will try that next time. I have avoided working these picots due to a severe lack of success!! It is always better, though, to have more options to select from.
I hope to see you, Loretta, at the end of July at the LPS meeting, as we will be visiting Helen then.
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Comment by Lorelei Halley on May 20, 2014 at 2:30pm
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#1: It is a relief to hear that I'm not the only one having trouble with these.
#2: Liz, thanks for your description. I think I'm doing OK with Venetian picots. They are all coming out OK (except for 1).
#3: Loretta, thanks for your description. I'll try again.
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