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What kind of needle lace is this? For discussions of needle lace history, and how to identify particular regional/period styles of needlelace. Distinguish different types of needle lace, different kinds of needle lace.
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Latest Activity: Jun 22, 2019
Best Books and Websites to Learn Needle Lace identification
Santina Levey LACE
Pat Earnshaw NEEDLELACE 1991
Fulvia Lewis LACE 1980
Clare Browne's 'Lace' (V&A, 2004) available from the museum directly
Discussion of different kinds of lace, of which needlelace is only one:
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/pdf/research/classification.pdf
Laces compared: https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-digital-exhibition/index.php/lace-identification-7-examples
A university based website specializing in the interface of archives, textiles, social history
http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/group/needlelace-identification-history/page/online-resources
Many examples: http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ ;
Descriptions of the different styles, needle and bobbin - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html
My pinboards of antique needle lace:
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/reticella-needle-lace-punto-in-aria/
Please add comment below if you have another suggestion.
Discussion Forum
A group of needle laces to identify 1 Reply
A new member of laceioli has recently sent in some photos of needle laces, and she wants some help in identifying them. So I am asking needlelacetalk members to take a look and add comments either…Continue
Tags: antique needle lace
Started by Lorelei Halley. Last reply by Teri Dow Apr 24, 2016.
Identification- Point Plat de Venise perhaps? 2 Replies
I have looked at several reference books and pictures online. Would this mat be Point Plat de…Continue
Tags: Point Plat de Venise, needlelace, needlelace mat, Identification
Started by Lagartija. Last reply by Lagartija Feb 9, 2016.
First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID 18 Replies
Here's another piece also found here in France. My wild guess would be an early example of Gros Point or something similar???? It measures roughly 18" x 5"All suggestions will be much…Continue
Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Feb 10, 2014.
Second of 2 pieces of antique Italian needle lace in search of ID please 3 Replies
Hello experts, Here's a piece found in France. Here are my guesses (but I really don't know very much about lace as yet:) : I believe this piece is Italian needle lace but I'm not sure what kind…Continue
Tags: hunting, scene, lace, needle, italian
Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Feb 3, 2014.
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Comment by Lorelei Halley on June 22, 2019 at 4:50pm
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A site with lace identification information. Looks quite good.
https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-digital-exhibition/index.php/lace-identif...
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Question: is this guy being original, or is this something that has been done before?
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You are welcome. Happy New Year.
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Comment by Sandra Popek on December 23, 2018 at 8:48am
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Lorelei, Thank for always being there to answer my questions. I wish you and your family a Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year! Sandra
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I think it is an embroidery, of a type called "drawn thread work". It starts with a woven cloth, then substantial numbers of vertical threads are withdrawn & removed according to a specific pattern. Then horizontal threads are drawn out. This leaves substantial empty spaces which can be filled with various embroidered lattices and stitches. The stitches used are very similar (often made in exactly the same way) to those used in filet lace (handmade square knotted net). Many of the stitches are also used in Hardanger and reticella. So all these forms borrow ideas from each other: reticella, filet, drawn thread work.
In German drawn thread work is divided into 2 kinds -- Durchbruch and Doppel Durchbruch. Durchbruch has threads withdrawn from the woven fabric in only one direction. But Doppel Durchbruch has both horizontal and vertical threads removed. In their terminology your piece would be called Doppel Durchbruch. I can't think of any English terminology which makes the distinction so clear.
This pinterest board shows mostly examples with threads withdrawn in one direction only.
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/drawn-thread-work/
This one is mostly examples with threads withdrawn in both directions. I'm not really happy with the terminology, myself. I'd like more clarity and agreement.
https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/reticella-embroidery-cutwork...
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Can a member tell me what kind of lace the picture I am posting on this message is? Thank you!Filet.jpg
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Thank you Lorelei, for explaining that to me. Sandra
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Sorry. I didn't read your question closely enough. That band across the top is called an engrelure. It is a separately made piece, sewn onto the lace itself. And the engrelure is what would be sewn to the fabric that the lace would decorate. One often finds that particular design, and it is bobbin lace. In fact most engrelures I have seen are of that type.
Here is an example of a similar engrelure:
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Lorelei Thank you for the pictures. What I am questioning is that banding on the top. Is that part handmade. Thank you, Sandra
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It looks like a perfectly reasonable Point de Gaze needle lace, handmade. However that is an educated guess. There is not enough detail for certainty. To give an absolute answer we need to see individual threads and how they are connected to each other. Stylistically this fits with standard Point de Gaze. It does not appear to have the added layers that often occur on this type of lace. But I have seen other Point de Gaze without those extra layers. Here are some links that might be useful.
http://lynxlace.com/StitchesofPointdeGaze.html
http://lynxlace.com/needlelacegallery.html#point-de-gaze
http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/point-de-gaze-antique
http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/point-de-gaze-modern
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