I have looked at several reference books and pictures online.  Would this mat be Point Plat de Venise?

I wondered about its age, too.  I've seen pictures in the references of similar items from China, but this particular piece seemed more detailed, delicate and more graceful a design than  that which is shown in the pictures of needlelace from China.  I thought the age might be early 1900.

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If you refer to the mat you have been repairing, I'm not sure that label applies. I readily admit I don't know as much about distinctions and history of needle lace, as I do of bobbin lace. But I have seen several examples of lace which is very similar in type of design and techniques used, as in your piece.  Go about half way down this page from my website, at lace 230.       http://lynxlace.com/needlelacegallery.html

http://lynxlace.com/images/oth230.jpg        http://lynxlace.com/images/oth230a.jpg       http://lynxlace.com/images/oth230b.jpg

I don't think your piece, or lace230, are very old. Perhaps c.1900 or more recent. It is the simplicity of the design and the shapes of the little bits that make me think so.

One thing you can do is to go to our PHOTOS. Just above where the thumbnails appear, on the left, is a search slot that operates on our PHOTOS. Type in Point Plat de Venise. And you will get what our other members think may be Point Plat de Venise.

Another thing to do is go to laceforstudy.org. Their identifications are usually accurate, or nearly so. And their database is searchable. I searched under       Venetian flat point and found this. You have to click on each one to see the individual piece and its photo. This will give a better idea of what is considered Venetian flat point.


My impression is that Venetian flat point is considerably older than your piece.

Anybody have better knowledge on this matter? Other sources?

I would agree, Lorelei, that my lace sample is of a similar vintage as that shown in your photo #230.   It has the same picots in the brides and a similar style of clothwork.

The picture in Elizabeth Kurella's book Guide to Lace and Linens, shows a picture on page 127 of Chinese made needle lace.  It has the same style of brides, but the clothwork has little variation in the stitches and the overall design is less graceful than either of our pieces.  However, my piece bears little resemblance to the pictures shown on laceforstudy; that clothwork is very dense and the use of low density fill stitches is rare. 

I think the qualities of the clothwork in my piece are more similar to your #231 sample.  The lines are more gracefully drawn, the work a bit more delicate.

It could be that my piece is Chinese made, but much earlier than the piece shown in Kurella's Guide .


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