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Pag Needle Lace

For those who want to learn Pag--the Croatian needle lace-- or discuss its features and working methods.  The icon is from the lacecorner website, and used with their permission.

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Latest Activity: Jun 10

Resources for Pag Needle Lace

To start, look for the black bar at the very top of the screen.  On its right hand edge is a search slot, for searches that operate on our network only.  Type in Pag and you will find the scattered discussions that have occurred before this Pag group was started.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMHTNeUDrI&feature=youtu.be  This is the Lacemaking in Croatia video that has informed the world about Pag lace.  Only part of it is on true needle lace.  It also contains bobbin lace, filet lacis and sol lace.

The basic elements of Pag lace:

The lacecorner site, from which we got our Pag elements has disappeared from the internet. A great loss. 

This one shows the elements of Pag diagrammed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=XpZ8A29Y21Y

This one names the various elements in Slovenian (so we can know the pronunciation) https://youtu.be/7YRlIr8N7yg ;

This large site, in Croatian and English, has lots of photos

   http://www.paska-cipka.com/en/ 

The stitches with English names, by Linda Dumas

   http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-stitches

HOW TO MAKE PAG LACE:

Go through the images in  these albums, one after another.  They show the basic steps to laying a skeleton and connecting the parts. We have no verbal instructions - language problem - but the photos in sequence show each step in the process. There are over 200 photos covering the new elements in 3 pieces of lace.

PAG NEEDLE LACE, Pattern 1

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-1   skeleton

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-2   1st circle

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-3    2nd circle

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-4    3rd circle

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-5    outer circle & ending

Here is the same information and sequence of photos, shown one after another, without moving from page to page.

PagLaceOne-pt1   scapi  skeleton

PagLaceOne-pt2   kolumbar, gusti dintel, flower - 1st ring

PagLaceOne-pt3   center ring, kolumbar, retki dintel, gusti dintel, zupcic (picots)

PagLaceOne-pt4   pogacica (diamond shapes)

PagLaceOne-pt5   Outer circle.Ending and cutting the lace free

PAG NEEDLE LACE PATTERN TWO

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-two-1 

PAG NEEDLE LACE PATTERN THREE

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-three-1 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-three-2 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-three-3 

PAG LACE - MENDULICA

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-mendulica 

Patterns:

This one shows some patterns from a pattern book.  They can be printed off if you stop the video.  We can use them for patterns, if we can figure out how to work them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJpkZ2pFKdg&feature=related

PATTERNS AND PHOTOS OF PAG LACE ON OUR SITE:

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-style-lace

circle grid 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-by-us 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-antique

Photos:

http://thetextileblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/traditional-croatian-lace.html 

http://www.dubrovacki.hr/clanak/15961/pag-u-lipnju-organizira-i-medunarodni-festival-cipke

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.122145114515800.18332.100001609375427&type=3 

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.122145114515800.18332.100001609375427&type=1

This one is a slide show of several Pag mats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6HizBLXS_k 

This set has about a dozen Pag needle laces towards the end:   https://picasaweb.google.com/110216202970792717321/InternationalFestivalOfBobbinLaceInBobowa2010Polska610102010#

Paska Cipka/Lace from Pag by Nerina Eckhel.  Available from Mary Chapman Bookseller.  Don't know the content, whether it is lessons or pictures or history.

This is a slide show including needle lace, filet lacis, bobbin lace made in Croatia:

http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?RL=00245&topic=diapo#/culture/ich/img/photo/thumb/01233-LRG.jpg 

http://www.paska-cipka.com/en/2011-07-15-17-06-39/2011-07-15-17-07-8.html 

Do a google search on      Pag cipka    and    Paska cipka     Paška čipka

Discussion Forum

PagLaceOne-pt1-skeleton 9 Replies

This part explains how to lay down the skeleton of the lace -- the major circles and the spokes.These are Xiaojie's photographs. I just tried to make them easier to use, by putting them into a…Continue

Tags: paška čipka, Pag needle lace

Started by Lorelei Halley. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Apr 13.

Pag lace 3 Replies

Could anyone tell me what thread should I use? Is sewing cotton too thin?

Started by Maria. Last reply by Xiaojie Sep 12, 2016.

PagLaceOne-pt3-CenterRing

These are Xiaojie's photos, showing the sequence of work on center ring and picots.…Continue

Tags: paška čipka, Pag needle lace

Started by Lorelei Halley Sep 6, 2015.

PagLaceOne-pt2-1stRing 3 Replies

These sequential photos are the work of Xiaojie. I have just put them into a form which may be easier to use. This part shows how to make the kolumbar, gusti dintel, flower - 1st ring.…Continue

Tags: paška čipka, Pag needle lace

Started by Lorelei Halley. Last reply by Maxine Aug 29, 2015.

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Comment by Linda Dumas on June 10, 2018 at 9:03am

I have some thoughts on Pag Lace.  

1.  I have been using option 2 for the Listacic question and I am much happier.

2.  The pillow used for making the Pag lace can either make it easier or more difficult to make the lace.  It needs to be a very stiff pillow.  I find that as I am making the stitches, I push on the pillow and if it is not stiff, then the stitch is not make correctly.  I have studied the Croatian Pag Lace pillows and they all seem to be very stiff but a rectangle.  I have tried to make this pillow myself without success.  But the other day I discovered that I had the PERFECT pillow right here in my house.  As it turns out, it is the center insert of a bobbin lace pillow.what you see in this picture is the roller insert but they also make a round pillow insert for this.  as it turns out, it is perfect because it is stiff on the top (to use pins to hold pieces of the lace), it is round, it has some depth and it is heavy enough but not too heavy.  I will find pictures to show you.

3.  If you are going to start a lace piece (I should have thought of this) make sure the thread that you are using either you have enough of or can get more.  I am using a color blue of DMC cordonnet 20 that they don't make anymore.  I hope I have enough.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Linda

Comment by Linda Dumas on May 12, 2018 at 8:30am

On the Listacic question.  It is difficult to describe this, so I will break it down to the first piece.  when the stitch is started, is it like the top picture with a simple loop or is it like the bottom picture with the stitch?  any help would be appreciated.   If are still out their Xiaojie can you let me know? thank you so much.

Comment by Carolyn Wetzel on March 12, 2017 at 9:33pm
What a great set of photos! Thanks for posting the link.
Comment by Lorelei Halley on March 11, 2017 at 6:21pm

This album, apparently from a lace event in Rijeka this year, has many photos of oya and Pag needle laces, some reticella, and also Idrija and Lepoglava bobbin lace.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/cipkaigorberos/photos/?tab=album&al...

Comment by Lorelei Halley on January 17, 2016 at 4:11pm

Denise

As Liz says, there are no instruction books that we know about.  But look at the box directly under the Pag photo. The heading PAG NEEDLE LACE, Pattern 1 preceeds a set of albums which show the order of working in sequential photos. If you have never done needle lace, those photos may not be too helpful, you won't understand why they are significant. But if you have even just a little experience with needle lace those photos will explain the Pag method. And Linda has worked some of the laces with a different color thread for each stage of the process, so you can see what comes first, what 2nd, etc.

This may not be easy to follow, but it is the only instruction available anywhere outside of Pag itself. Several of us have succeeded in making some few small pieces, so it is possible.

Just get started and we will help as you go along.

Comment by Maxine on January 17, 2016 at 9:53am

There are some videos on youtube that has some instructions in it.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pag+lace

Comment by Elizabeth Ligeti. on January 16, 2016 at 11:04pm

No, Denise, I don't think there is a book to purchase on this type of lace.  It is usually a closely guarded secret in Pag, as to how they make it, but with Xaoijie's help, and Linda's perseverance, it has mainly been figured out here on this site.

Comment by Denise Dege on January 16, 2016 at 9:57pm
Lorelei is there a book out there that one can purchase??? For pag lace
Comment by Lorelei Halley on July 25, 2015 at 10:03pm

During the last year or so we have had several new people join who were especially interested in Pag needle lace. But as far as I know, none of them have started. I am in the process of trying to make Xiaojie's sequential photos more readily useable as lessons. Some months ago I started making pdf files, but that had its own drawbacks (loss of some detail). Earlier this evening I tried to create what the software calls PAGES. But that proved too awkward. So now I am trying to create a series of DISCUSSIONS. If this works, it may be some weeks before it is ready to use.

Comment by Maxine on April 24, 2015 at 11:02am

Xiaojie, love your latest work. Gorgeous piece. How long did it take you to complete?

 
 
 

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