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Pag Needle Lace

For those who want to learn Pag--the Croatian needle lace-- or discuss its features and working methods.  The icon is from the lacecorner website, and used with their permission.

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Resources for Pag Needle Lace

To start, look for the black bar at the very top of the screen.  On its right hand edge is a search slot, for searches that operate on our network only.  Type in Pag and you will find the scattered discussions that have occurred before this Pag group was started.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMHTNeUDrI&feature=youtu.be  This is the Lacemaking in Croatia video that has informed the world about Pag lace.  Only part of it is on true needle lace.  It also contains bobbin lace, filet lacis and sol lace.

The basic elements of Pag lace:

The lacecorner site, from which we got our Pag elements has disappeared from the internet. A great loss. 

This one shows the elements of Pag diagrammed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=XpZ8A29Y21Y

This large site, in Croatian and English, has lots of photos

   http://www.paska-cipka.com/en/ 

and a page full of element symbols:

   http://www.paska-cipka.com/en/2011-07-26-15-55-43/jezik-cipkarica-2.html 

The stitches with English names, by Linda Dumas

   http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-stitches

HOW TO MAKE PAG LACE:

Go through the images in  these albums, one after another.  They show the basic steps to laying a skeleton and connecting the parts. We have no verbal instructions - language problem - but the photos in sequence show each step in the process. There are over 200 photos covering the new elements in 3 pieces of lace.

PAG NEEDLE LACE, Pattern 1

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-1   skeleton

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-2   1st circle

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-3    2nd circle

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-4    3rd circle

  http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-one-part-5    outer circle & ending

Here is the same information and sequence of photos, shown one after another, without moving from page to page.

PagLaceOne-pt1   scapi  skeleton

PagLaceOne-pt2   kolumbar, gusti dintel, flower - 1st ring

PagLaceOne-pt3   center ring, kolumbar, retki dintel, gusti dintel, zupcic (picots)

PagLaceOne-pt4   pogacica (diamond shapes)

PagLaceOne-pt5   Outer circle.Ending and cutting the lace free

PAG NEEDLE LACE PATTERN TWO

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-two-1 

PAG NEEDLE LACE PATTERN THREE

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-three-1 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-three-2 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-three-3 

PAG LACE - MENDULICA

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace-mendulica 

Patterns:

This one shows some patterns from a pattern book.  They can be printed off if you stop the video.  We can use them for patterns, if we can figure out how to work them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJpkZ2pFKdg&feature=related

PATTERNS AND PHOTOS OF PAG LACE ON OUR SITE:

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-lace 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-style-lace

circle grid 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-by-us 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/pag-antique

Photos:

http://thetextileblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/traditional-croatian-lace.html 

http://www.dubrovacki.hr/clanak/15961/pag-u-lipnju-organizira-i-medunarodni-festival-cipke

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.122145114515800.18332.100001609375427&type=3 

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.122145114515800.18332.100001609375427&type=1

This one is a slide show of several Pag mats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6HizBLXS_k 

This set has about a dozen Pag needle laces towards the end:   https://picasaweb.google.com/110216202970792717321/InternationalFestivalOfBobbinLaceInBobowa2010Polska610102010#

Paska Cipka/Lace from Pag by Nerina Eckhel.  Available from Mary Chapman Bookseller.  Don't know the content, whether it is lessons or pictures or history.

This is a slide show including needle lace, filet lacis, bobbin lace made in Croatia:

http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?RL=00245&topic=diapo#/culture/ich/img/photo/thumb/01233-LRG.jpg 

http://www.paska-cipka.com/en/2011-07-15-17-06-39/2011-07-15-17-07-8.html 

 

Do a google search on      Pag cipka    and    Paska cipka     Paška čipka

Discussion Forum

Pag lace 3 Replies

Could anyone tell me what thread should I use? Is sewing cotton too thin?

Started by Maria. Last reply by Xiaojie Sep 12, 2016.

PagLaceOne-pt3-CenterRing

These are Xiaojie's photos, showing the sequence of work on center ring and picots.…Continue

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Started by Lorelei Halley Sep 6, 2015.

PagLaceOne-pt2-1stRing 3 Replies

These sequential photos are the work of Xiaojie. I have just put them into a form which may be easier to use. This part shows how to make the kolumbar, gusti dintel, flower - 1st ring.…Continue

Tags: paška čipka, Pag needle lace

Started by Lorelei Halley. Last reply by Maxine Aug 29, 2015.

PagLaceOne-pt1-skeleton 2 Replies

This part explains how to lay down the skeleton of the lace -- the major circles and the spokes.These are Xiaojie's photographs. I just tried to make them easier to use, by putting them into a…Continue

Tags: paška čipka, Pag needle lace

Started by Lorelei Halley. Last reply by Elizabeth Ligeti. Jul 25, 2015.

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Comment by Lorelei Halley on April 22, 2015 at 4:49pm

Xiaojie

Yes, in 185/2 the 185 is the thread size, and the 2 is the number of plies/strands twisted together to make the thread. The higher the first number the thinner the thread.  The first number has to do with how many meters or yards there are in 1 kilo or 1 pound of thread. I suppose at present it is calculated in meters per kilo. But I don't know the exact formula.

If nobody will ship Bart & Francis to Croatia, did you also check about Brok? I do know that people use Cantu cotton for bobbin lace, so that also should work for needle lace.

Some possible sources in Germany. Near enough that shipping should not be a problem.

Egyptian cotton (used by bobbin lacers) http://www.kloeppelshop.de/en/Yarn-Wire/Cotton-Yarn/Egyptian-Cotton... 

http://www.diekloeppelkiste.de/index.php?language=en&cPath=75_9... 

This is aurifil's site. Their address bottom right hand corner, with website & phone. Their size 50 is considerably finer than cordonnet 100 or the old 150.

http://www.aurifil.com/products/cotton-50

Comment by Linda Dumas on April 21, 2015 at 3:52pm

Hi Xiaojie,  please check out this site http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com.  she sells Bart & Francis (not sure exactly if she has what you want though) and she ships out of the country.  If this is not good, please advise and we can help you.

Comment by Xiaojie on April 21, 2015 at 3:45pm

I find out that Bart & Francis Not shipping to Croatia. If anybody want get my parcel in Belgium or Netherland, after my paying , I can pay with Visa directly to Bart, and put address of someone in these countries. The person then have to send parcel to Croatia and I will refund all tasks, please please. Help me needlelace friend, I will appreciate , thanks

Comment by Xiaojie on April 21, 2015 at 7:07am

I found the first number is thickness of thread, never mind, I decided buy Bart & Francis 

Comment by Xiaojie on April 21, 2015 at 4:54am

and what means this number 2, for example    180/2

180 is what?

2  means what?

Comment by Xiaojie on April 21, 2015 at 4:40am

Thank you Lorelei, I have just searched about Brok Egyptian and not sure what size to choose. Is the number 185/2 or 180/2 the finest?

Comment by Lorelei Halley on April 20, 2015 at 3:57pm

DMC used to have a cordonnet #150, but they discontinued that size more than 15 years ago. At present, as far as I know, #100 is the finest size for cordonnet.

However Aurifil mako cotton, a quilting thread, comes in #30 and #50. The #30 is close to cordonnet 100, the #50 is finer.  I have found several suppliers online. I think it is Italian, so the source is near you.  

There are also the Brok Egyptian cottons that bobbin lace makers use, and those come in very fine sizes.

Bart & Francis Egyptian cottons are also used by bobbin lace makers, and also come in fine sizes.

Brenda Paternoster's size equivalents   http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/threads.html

Comment by Xiaojie on April 20, 2015 at 3:17pm

I have an question, is there any thinner DMC cordonnet thread of number 100? I need thread just like cordonnet but cant find thinner of number 100, I am willing try make pag lace with finer thread, thanks

Comment by Maxine on March 19, 2015 at 9:27am

Gorgeous piece.

Comment by Elizabeth Ligeti. on March 18, 2015 at 9:14pm

I love the Reticella Look to these pieces.

 
 
 

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