Venetian and Burano Lace

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Venetian and Burano Lace

These laces date from the late 19th century into the early 20th century. (I think.)  This group does not include Venetian gros point, since we already have a separate group for that.  Ombretta says "The difference is that in the Venetian lace motifs are connected by bars (like the bridges of the city), while in Burano lace are connected by the mesh (such as the fishnet of fishermen - Burano is an island)".  She also says that " the points [laces] are equal or nearly so, and because the Burano lace came from the ancient Venetian".

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A small manual on the basic technique of needle lace of Burano. It is in Italian. In Ombretta's blog is the presentation  www.ombrettapanese.it

Ombretta's Burano elements

The guide costs € 15,00 + € 1.00 the envelope. The mail for America is € 9.00 by priority mail or by registered mail € 12,50.
The full price is € 25.00 or € 28.50. Of course these prices are in Euro.

Some videos on Burano lace, but they appear very basic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYydG2rmoUs 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvoJYKe_-Ts 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzUlTyiw74k

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Comment by Christiane Machabée on March 29, 2015 at 11:56am

Lorelei,
J’ai poussé un peu plus ma recherche et je vous remets un résumé des principales catégories de dentelles souvent relevés dans les livres d’histoire et qui j’espère vous sera utile.

I pushed a little bit farther my research and I give you a summary of the main categories of laces often found in the History books, which I hope will help.

Venezian laces : 1- Gros point 2- Flat point 3- Rose point or Rosaline 4- Snow point

French laces : 1- Point d’Alençon 2- Point d’Argentan (and Argentella) 3- Point de Sedan 4- Point de France

Burano lace is inspired by both traditional Venetian laces and French laces.

Comment by Teri Dow on March 28, 2015 at 8:30am
Hi Linda, good to see you back on NLT, we've missed your input and your input in PAG.
Comment by Christiane Machabée on March 28, 2015 at 7:56am

Lorelei,
D’après mes lectures, l’origine de la dentelle aux fuseaux tout comme celle de la dentelle à l’aiguille date de la fin du 15e siècle, et Venise en est certainement le berceau.
Je me permets de supposer que la dentelle de la ville de Burano doit être principalement basée sur celle de Venise, ville voisine. Si Burano a développé ses propres points de dentelle à l’aiguille, ou si elle a des caractéristiques qui la distinguent de celle de Venise, je l’ignore. Je n’ai personnellement trouvé cette information nulle part jusqu’à maintenant.

From my reading, the origin of bobbin lace as that of needle lace is from the end of the 15th century, and Venice is certainly the cradle of both.
May I assume that lace the city of Burano should be primarily based on that of Venice, next town. If Burano lace has developed its own stitches in needlelace, or if it has features that distinguish it from that of Venice, I do not know. I personally find this information anywhere until now.

Comment by Lorelei Halley on March 27, 2015 at 4:02pm

Christiane

I do not know what distinguishes Venetian needle lace from Burano. I don't even know what the distinguishing characteristics of Venetian lace are. Of course, I understand Venetian gros point, an historic lace. But I don't know if there is any way to recognize Venetian lace that is only 100 years old or less, from other kinds. I am hoping someone can explain it. Of the pieces I have seen labeled "Venetian", they all appear to be bar grounded laces (brides), rather than mesh or reseau grounded laces.  My knowledge of lace history is fairly good for bobbin laces, but my knowledge of needle laces is not as good.

Je ne sais pas ce qui distingue dentelle à l'aiguille vénitienne de Burano. Je ne sais même pas ce que les caractéristiques distinctives de dentelle vénitienne sont. Bien sûr, je comprends gros point de Venise, une dentelle historique. Mais je ne sais pas se il ya une façon de reconnaître la dentelle vénitienne qui est à seulement 100 ans ou moins, d'autres types. Je espère que quelqu'un peut expliquer. Parmi les pièces que je ai vu marqué "Venetian", ils semblent tous être barres terre lacets (brides), plutôt que de maille ou reseau terre lacets. Ma connaissance de l'histoire de la dentelle est assez bon pour dentelles aux fuseaux, mais ma connaissance de dentelles à l'aiguille ne est pas aussi bonne.

Comment by Christiane Machabée on March 27, 2015 at 8:46am

Lorelei,
Avez-vous eu davantage d'information sur ce qui distingue la dentelle de Venise et la dentelle de Burano?
Sinon, j'espère que quelqu'un trouvera cette bouteille à la mer et nous mettra sur la piste des différences entre les deux.

Did you have more information about what distinguishes Venice lace and Burano lace?
If not, I hope someone will find this bottle in the sea and will put on the track of the differences between the two.

Comment by Teri Dow on March 27, 2015 at 5:54am
Just been looking at the videos again and note that when the lacemaker comes to the end of the row she goes OVER the end thread and then twice more. I've been taught to go under the thread. I will now have a go at the other way as I suspect it keeps tension better etc. Just wondering if others commonly go under or over the end couched line and the pros and cons.
Comment by Teri Dow on March 26, 2015 at 10:36am
The second video features the Greco Redin stitch.
Comment by Teri Dow on March 26, 2015 at 10:18am
Hello Ombretta - Sorry to intrude at this time Ombretta, I know you have much work on with the new manual. The Burano cordonnette, are the padding threads usually whipped down or buttonhole into place? Thank you x
Comment by Lorelei Halley on May 26, 2014 at 3:35pm

I did a search on our PHOTO section for BURANO lace and got this list.

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/photo/search?q=Burano

I did a similar search on VENETIAN and got this. (It includes some Venetian gros point.)

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/photo/search?q=Venetian

I don't know which of all these laces are relevant.  Help.

Comment by Lorelei Halley on May 26, 2014 at 3:28pm

Several of our recent new members have expressed an interest in Venetian or Burano lace. I am assuming that they are basically the same. If I'm wrong, please explain the difference. I don't know what the distinguishing characteristics are. Help! I am also assuming that the laces of the late 1800s to early 1900s are the ones referred to.  If anyone can enlighten me, please do.

 

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