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Italian needle lace piece - researching date
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Hello,Here is a piece I recently came across in France. I love how it shows a whole hunting scene. From Italy I believe  and perhaps as old as 17th C. I'm just starting to learn about lace as my…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by deborah greenfield Feb 1, 2014.

 

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Lorelei Halley replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Deborah The books Devon refers to are these: Pat Earnshaw LACE MACHINES AND MACHINE LACES, B.T. Batsford, London 1986.  There are 2 volumes. I've only seen volume 1.  Helps with understanding what is and isn't possible in machine…"
Feb 10, 2014
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Oh my... so interesting. Thank you... I have to work now but will see if I can see what you mean with the threads on the stole later on. I'm just confused about the techniques and finishings of these 2 pieces looking so different... "
Feb 10, 2014
Devon Thein replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Dear Diana, In my opinion the photo you have identified as stole-cu.jpg is Schiffli, as well as the one you identify as Schiffli. It is very confusing. Irish crochet lace was made during the mid 19th century with the idea of immitating the…"
Feb 10, 2014
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Hi Lorelei, Oh golly... ok, so the outlines on handmade alencon are actually buttonhole stitch it seems from your comparison photos?"
Feb 10, 2014
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Hi Devon, Thanks so much for your input. I'm guessing you're referring to the other piece rather than the one here that Lorelei identified as Irish? If it is schiffli though, it is very different from other schiffli lace I have - a close…"
Feb 10, 2014
Devon Thein replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"The Gros Point looks like machine made lace to me. I think it is made on the Schiffli (machine embroidery) machine on a fabric that is then dissolved away. This is sometimes called "chemical lace". It is nicely detailed. If it were point…"
Feb 9, 2014
Lorelei Halley replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Alencon for comparison…"
Feb 9, 2014
Lorelei Halley replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Deborah Your Alencon fragment is also machine made. The picture you have posted is quite good.  Look at the dense areas. There are prominent vertical lines. That is typical of one kind of machine lace. Your gros point photos -- the shot of the…"
Feb 9, 2014
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Hi Lorelei, Very helpful thank you. I looked at the pix on the site. So, yes I see what you mean about this lace differing from usual gros point. Might it be a hybrid with other styles like - wild guess - Point de France? Attached is a better…"
Feb 9, 2014
Lorelei Halley replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"handmade gros point for comparison…"
Feb 8, 2014
Lorelei Halley replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"The first does appear to be handmade needlelace, but I don't think gros point is the exact name for it. Gros point would not have so much openwork inside the petals. They would be solid and dense, worked in corded Brussels stitch. The ground is…"
Feb 8, 2014
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Hi again Lorelei, Am I right then to think that this is handmade gros point? And this alencon?  By the way, I'm still planning on getting involved on your other site and post a photo gallery there. The week's flown by! Thanks in…"
Feb 8, 2014
Lorelei Halley replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Second of 2 pieces of antique Italian needle lace in search of ID please in the group Needlelace Identification History
"This is is 3 strips. The center strip is needle lace. It could be Venetian, but I'm not sure. Also can't judge date. The 2 outer strips are what we call "mixed tape lace". There is a straight machine tape (or possibly bobbin made…"
Feb 3, 2014
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion First of 2 antique needle lace pieces in search of ID in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Thanks again Lorelei. That's very helpful."
Feb 3, 2014
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Second of 2 pieces of antique Italian needle lace in search of ID please in the group Needlelace Identification History
"Thanks Mandy."
Feb 3, 2014
Mandy Currie replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Second of 2 pieces of antique Italian needle lace in search of ID please in the group Needlelace Identification History
"This is beautiful, I'm sorry I'm not able to identify for you though. I'm still new to lacemaking."
Feb 2, 2014

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What kind of needle lace do you make, and how long have you been making it?
I don't make lace yet.
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Not sure yet...
Tell us about your other lace related interests.
I live in France and am a flea market addict. This has led to collecting antique laces and textiles. I have some books and am slowly learning about them. It's fascinating!

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At 7:57pm on January 31, 2014, Lorelei Halley said…

Deborah

Welcome.  Please read all the NOTES.  They explain our policies, the laces we include, and how the software works.  Join any groups that interest you.  We do have one for IDENTIFICATION AND HISTORY.  You might also be interested in another online network I administer, which includes all handmade laces.  http://laceioli.ning.com    

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