Hi everyone,


I've been starting to plan my own pattern to work from for the first time, and I was wondering how important it is to have a continuous outline. Is it necessary for stability, or is it possible to work with several separate outlines when the motifs will all be joined with a ground between them anyway?


Thanks,
May

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I always preferred a continuous outline - linking the threads (one thread thought/between the other 2) wherever they met or touched.  This is for strength. Just joining the sections by the stitches is far too weak for the lace to last. 

You can use separate threads for the outline - Providing you link them wherever they meet, - or your lace will fall to pieces later on with any "wear & tear"!!  the fancy stitches are not strong enough to hold the lace together. You need the strength of the outline thread, linked to other outlines wherever they meet, to hold the whole piece together.

Good luck with planning it. And I hope you show it to us when finished - or even before that.  We are all "sticky-beaks" and love to see what others are doing!!!!!!

Thanks so much, Elizabeth! I really appreciate the encouragement too. :)


I started the design with a lot of gaps. I'll attach a picture. Aologies for the quality (and so many questions!), but there's supposed to be a straight outline along the top and bottom. The flowers would be connected either to the outline at the top or bottom, but the butterflies would only be connected to the ground. I take it the latter wouldn't be wise at all, but do you think the flowers would be okay where they are, or should I be moving them closer so there are more connections throughout the work?

Liz is right. A doubled and linked outline is necessary for stability. Youghal uses a single outline thread, but I think the doubled one is better, since you can then use one of the threads to link to a neighboring part of the motif, and then bring it back.

These 2 diagrams are from my tutorials on this site.

What are you planning this object to be? an edging? a strip added to a neckline? There are other ways to link parts of a design.

http://lynxlace.com/needlelacestitches.html#bars 

Great Leaf diagram, Lorelei. shows the linking so well. I wish I could draw like that!!!

May, the diagram of your piece looks good, but you will need a firm ground to hold the flowers in place. Another suggestion - make the central petal a bit longer so it can touch/link with the other edge outline. But I think that might spoil the design, so...!!

Just make sure you link the outline thread wherever it meets another outline thread.  Keep us informed as to how you are going with it, and we look forward to seeing it when completed!!!

I loved doing Needlelace but can't do much now due to eye, and shakey hand problems - Galloping Old Age!! :(  But I am happy to help where I can, so don't be afraid to ask for help any time.

Liz - thanks. it just takes single minded obstinacy. I AM going to get this right.

Thanks for the diagrams, Lorelei! I hadn't thought about linking it with bars either. I feel a bit out of my depth with them, but that could be a great solution. It's going to be the edging for a cushion, so the same design would be repeated on each side.

Lorelei Halley said:

What are you planning this object to be? an edging? a strip added to a neckline? There are other ways to link parts of a design.

http://lynxlace.com/needlelacestitches.html#bars 

Ah, what a shame. Thanks a lot, I'll make sure to link them. Hopefully I'll have something to share before too long!

Elizabeth Ligeti. said:

Great Leaf diagram, Lorelei. shows the linking so well. I wish I could draw like that!!!

May, the diagram of your piece looks good, but you will need a firm ground to hold the flowers in place. Another suggestion - make the central petal a bit longer so it can touch/link with the other edge outline. But I think that might spoil the design, so...!!

Just make sure you link the outline thread wherever it meets another outline thread.  Keep us informed as to how you are going with it, and we look forward to seeing it when completed!!!

I loved doing Needlelace but can't do much now due to eye, and shakey hand problems - Galloping Old Age!! :(  But I am happy to help where I can, so don't be afraid to ask for help any time.

This was posted today on facebook. It shows possible solutions to the problem of linking parts.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/142378219_10160696185...

An interesting piece. Thanks for the link. 

Yes, it is another solution to linking up the motifs, as you say, Lorelei.  Buttonholed bars will do the job just as well as ground stitches, - provided they can be positioned in the right places - like at the tips of leaves & petals, to hold them in place!

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